Conversa 4

  • São Paulo, Brazil.
  • 1st - 2nd February

The UK-Brazil Conversa is a dialogue between policy makers and influencers, business leaders, academics, diplomats and governments, to help build closer relations and contacts between Brazil and the UK. This year's Conversa will take place in São Paulo, Brazil.

Founded in 2014 by former UK Ambassador to Brazil, Alan Charlton, the Conversa is an annual forum for influential people from a variety of backgrounds – business, government, diplomacy, academia, think-tanks – to discuss key issues relating to UK-Brazilian relations.

Alternating between the UK and Brazil, it was established to help explore how to make more of the contacts and links between the two countries. In order to encourage free-flowing and open conversations, discussion groups are small and sessions are held under the Chatham House rule.

The event will take place in São Paulo, Brazil.


  • Reception at residence of UK Trade Commissioner for Latin America and the Caribbean and Consul General São Paulo, Joanna Crellin 



  • Registration and coffee


  • Welcome from Founder Alan Charlton


  • The Situation in UK

    Mark Prisk MP, UK Trade Envoy for Brazil


  • The Situation in Brazil

    Rubens Ricupero, Director of the Faculty Armando Alvares Penteado (FAAP)


  • Session 1: Who decides in our countries – the political system or the legal system?

    Chair: Michael Reid, The Economist 

    Speaker Brazil: Ellen Gracie Northfleet 

    Speaker UK: Guilherme Brafman, Chair, Supervisory Board of Brazil Institute, King’s College.

    Rapporteur: Frederico Singarajah 



  • Session 2: Defence, Security and Technology: What are our priorities? Can we afford them? What are the roles of Government and private sector?

    Chair: Jackson Schneider, President and CEO of Embraer Defense & Security

    Speakers Brazil: Jose Mariano Beltrame; Antonio Ramalho, Associate Professor of Institute of International Relations at the University of Brasilia

    Speakers UK: Captain Kevin Fleming; Marco Caffe, General Manager BAE Systems Brazil

    Rapporteur: Vinicius Mariano de Carvalho, Senior Lecturer for Brazilian Studies at Brazil Institute and the Department of War Studies at King’s College London




  • Session 3:What priority should we give global and local issues of environmental pollution?

    Chair: Anthony Pereira, Professor and Director of the Brazil Institute at King’s College London

    Speaker Brazil: Izabella Teixeira 

    Speaker UK: Alan Charlton

    Rapporteur: Nigel Baker, Head of Latin America Department at the FCO, former UK Ambassador to Bolivia and the Holy See



  • Break


  • Session 4: A UK-Brazil Trade and Co-operation Agreement?

    Chair: Richard Lapper 

    Speaker Brazil: Itamaraty

    Speaker UK: Mark Prisk MP 

    Rapporteur: Joanna Crellin


    11.00 - 12.30

  • Session 5: Education, Science and Innovation: What can Brazil and UK do together?

    Chair: Glaucius Oliveira, Senior Professor of Physics at the University of São Paulo 

    Speaker Brazil: Carlos Brito Cruz 

    Speaker UK: Vivienne Stern, Director of Universities UK International (UUKi)

    Rapporteur: Fernando Da Cruz Vasconcellos, 


    11.00 - 12.30

  • Session 6: Are people, businesses, governments ready for the next technological revolution?

    Chair: Rubens Barbosa, Former Brazilian Ambassador to the UK and US 

    Speaker Brazil: Damian Popolo, Former Brazilian Ambassador to the UK and US

    Speaker UK: John Everard, Former Brazilian Ambassador to the UK and US

    Rapporteur: Graham Tidey 


    11.00 - 12.30

  • Lunch at Transamerica Hotel


  • Session  7: Economy: Can we achieve both prosperity and social justice in our countries?

    Chair: John Paul Rathbone

    Speaker Brazil: Luciano Coutinho, Professor of Economics at University of Campinas

    Speaker UK: Lucinda Elliott, Brazil based correspondent for The Times 

    Rapporteur: Simon Wood, Her Majesty Consul, British Consulate-General in Rio de Janeiro 



  • Session 8: The future of foreign policy in Brazil and UK: change or more of the same?

    Chair: Leslie Bethell, Emeritus Professor of Latin American History, University of London

    Speaker Brazil: Rubens Barbosa, Former Brazilian Ambassador to the UK and US

    Speaker UK: Vijay Rangarajan, UK Ambassador to Brazil

    Rapporteur: Marcus Freitas, 



  • Session 9: Participation/Representation: should the people have more say in government decisions? If so, how?

    Chair: Cristina Cortes, CEO of Canning House

    Speaker Brazil: Isabel Fleck, Journalist for Folha de Sao Paulo  

    Speaker UK: Francisco Itzaina, Consultant, Principal at Stuart Simon Itzaina (Brazil/Uruguay) 

    Rapporteur: Pierre Coudry 



  • Break


  • Session 10 - All Participants

    Identifying key areas for Brazil/UK Co-operation (Rapporteurs from sessions 1-6 each have two minutes)

    Chairs: Rubens Ricupero, Mark Prisk, Alan Charlton


    15.30 - 16.30

  • Closing Remarks and the Road to Conversa 5

    16.30 - 16.45

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